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=head1 Siesta, the timeline

=head2 Introduction

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In thinking of the history of Siesta, I found myself drawing some odd
parallels.  See if they work for you.

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=head2 There's a war

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Throughout June/July 2002 there were several related threads on
london.pm.

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Mentioning that london.pm is run on mailman

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Suggesting that if mailman were written in non-sucky Perl then they'd
hack on it.

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=head2 More war

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Eventually, I lost my cool (for I am not Fonzie)

 From: Richard Clamp <richardc@unixbeard.net>
 To: london.pm
 Subject: Re: for those who were looking for reason to better mailman in perl
 Date: Tue Jul 30 00:53:03 2002

 On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 03:06:44PM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote:
 > Note that I have no intention of actually finding the time to actively help
 > anyone re-write mailman (or majordomo) or anything else,

 I must say that I'm actively bored of this subject now.  I do however
 have a short proposal which will hopefully lead to this recurring
 thread going the fuck away.

 To: Those that care
 From: Someone who doesn't
 
       Go form a sourceforge/savannah project which will give you
       suboptimal mailing lists and a CVS repository.
 
       Let the world know you have done this so they can find you. 
 
       Write code and argue it out amongst yourselves.
 
       Let the world know when you get as far as being self-hosting.
 
 I'm sorry it's not a catchy 3-step plan, but try it out anyway.
 
 -- 
 Richard Clamp <richardc@unixbeard.net>

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This being london.pm, nothing actually happened.  At least not until
August 16th.

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=head2 An unconventional team is formed

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=head2 A man who smokes cigars

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L<image:Hannibal|hannibal.jpeg>
L<image:Greg|greg.jpeg>

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=head2 A crazy pilot

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L<image:Murdock|murdock.jpeg>
L<image:Simon|simon.jpeg>

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=head2 An angry man

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L<image:BA|ba.jpeg>
L<image:Richard|richardc.jpeg>

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=head2 They escape to the Los Angeles underground

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Well we were close, we ended up in California at least:

 % whois sf.net
 
 Found a referral to whois.opensrs.net.
 
 Registrant:
  VA Software Corporation (OSDN)
  47071 Bayside Parkway
  Fremont, CA 94538
  US

369 Miles out:

L<image:Fremont to LA|freemont_to_la.gif>

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=head2 Some wacky adventures

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The first day of hacking was 18th August, 2002.  At the end of which we had.

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A plan.

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A bunch of code

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Self-hosted dev lists.

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=head2 Sadly, viewer figures dropped off

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L<image:patch flow|patchflow-early.png>

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=head2 The man from uncle shows up, with new equipment

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We were rehoused at L<http://siesta.unixbeard.net>

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L<image:Stockwell|solo.gif>
L<image:Nicholas|nicholas.jpeg>

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Nicholas provided us with snapshot scripts, so people not subversion
capable could play along too.

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=head2 And more new characters

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L<image:Frankie|frankie.jpeg>
L<image:Robin|robin.jpeg>

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Robin did a lot of work in converting simons PHP prototype web
interface into a real Template Toolkit backed one, which interfaces to
the real Siesta classes.

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=head2 And Face finally showed up.

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L<image:Face|face.jpeg>
L<image:Tom|tom.jpeg>

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Tom wrote most of the output generation code for L<Mariachi>, and
provided us with nice css templates.

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=head2 More wacky adventures

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In the course of writing this we've had knock-on effect in working on
some of the modules we wanted to use.

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Email::*

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Mail::Thread

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Mariachi

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=head2 The end?

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L<image:patch flow|patchflow.png>

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=head1 Footer

Siesta, the timeline.  E<copy> 2003 L<Richard Clamp|mailto:richardc@unixbeard.net>